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Transcript and Translation of Interview 1
Date: 02/01/2020
Mario: Where are you from?
Moisés: I'm from Guatemala.
Mario: Guatemala?
Moisés: From Nebaj Quiché.
Mario: From where?
Moisés: From Nebaj Quiché.
Mario: From Nebaj Quiché.
Mario: How do you write that?
Moisés: N
Mario: N
Moisés: E
Mario: E
Moisés: B
Mario: B. Lowercase B?
Moisés: B.
Mario: Yeah, oh. B.
Moisés: A.
Mario: Uh-huh.
Moisés: And J.
Mario: Okay.
Moisés: Nebaj Quiché.
Mario: Were you born there, and everything?
Moisés: Yeah, I was born there, but I didn't grow up there.
Mario: And at what age did... did you come here? Or well, where did you go maybe after...?
Moisés: Well, after that like... I don't know.
Moisés: I don't remember how old I was, but yeah. I went to live... like six years close to the capital of Guatemala.
Mario: Uh-huh.
Moisés: After those six years, I went to live like eight years in... in Escuintla.
Mario: Where?
Moisés: Escuintla.
Mario: Escuintla?
Moisés: Uh-huh.
Mario: And that's in Guatemala as well?
Moisés: Yes.
Mario: Escuintla. And six years there, eight years there? How old are you?
Moisés: I’m 20 years old.
Mario: Twenty?
Moisés: Uh-huh.
Moisés: I arrived here at 17.
Mario: 17… so three years here. And do you live around here in Homestead?
Moisés: Yes.
Mario: And so who did you come with then? Did you come with your family or…?
Moisés: Well, the one who came first was my mom and then I came with my uncle.
Mario: Yes. Well your mom, then you, and... Do you have brothers or...?
Moisés: Well, I have my sister and my little brother, who was born here.
Mario: Oh yeah? Well, what's his name?
Moisés: His name is David.
Mario: David?
Moisés: Uh-huh.
Mario: When was he born? Recently or...?
Moisés: He’s about to turn two years old now.
Mario: Two?
Moisés: Uh-huh.
Mario: So you have little brother, and...
Moisés: And... two sisters...
Mario: Two sisters. Are they older?
Moisés: One is about 19 or 18, and the other 13.
Mario: Oh, 13. And do they live here too?
Moisés: Just one.
Mario: Just one.
Moisés: The other is in Guatemala. The middle girl is in Guatemala.
Mario: The one who’s 13?
Moisés: No, the one who’s 18.
Mario: Oh 18.... in Guatemala, okay. And you... well, do you keep in touch with them... you know, talk to them?
Miki: He said he has two brothers right?
Mario: Two sisters and one... one baby brother.
Mario: So... and... I don't know. I don't know much about babies, but hopefully David is already talking... I don't know.
Moisés: Still no... not yet.
Mario: Not yet.
Moisés: Because he's premature.
Mario: Oh okay.
Moisés: He's premature and that’s why now they’re giving him therapy....
Mario: Oh okay yeah.
Moisés: so he can talk.
Mario: Yes, I was also premature.
Nick: Me too.
Mario: Well yeah, well with time... he’ll learn everything either way.
Ivo: Were you born premature?
Miki: No, I was planned like a C-Section.
Mario: Were you?
Ivo: No, I wasn't.
Miki: How do you, how do say c-section in Spanish?
Mario: Cesaría.
Miki: Yeah, yeah so, I was planned.
Mario: We were saying that almost all of us, um, were premature, but she was a c-section. So then... if you're here, then do you work at... at Tropical Island?
Moisés: I worked at a packing factory.
Mario: A packing factory?
Moisés: Yeah a factory for packaging fruits.
Mario: For fruits? Okay. Here in Homestead?
Moisés: Yes.
Mario: Okay, and how many... how long did you work there for... or-
Moisés: Well I worked for almost two years.
Mario: Two years.
Moisés: Uh-huh but on the 31st of May in 2019, I was held up at gunpoint.
Mario: Yeah!? Leaving from work?
Moisés: No... um... I was going to... well, I like playing soccer a lot.
Mario: Uh-huh.
Moisés: I went to play soccer that night. Leaving from playing soccer, almost two blocks away from my house. Um... they were following us. A black guy and I just saw that he was following us, but we were just two friends leaving.
Mario: Yes.
Moisés: And I said to my friend, "Let’s let him pass us."
Mario: Yes.
Moisés: Because I thought he’d just walk past us because, since we’d always seen him before, but I didn't know him or anything. He always looked at us before, but he'd never done anything to us before that night and he... he passed us and he got in front of me and took out a gun. And he said, "Give me your money." he told me. I didn't carry money on me. I… I didn't respond to him or anything. And since I got all nervous, and he said to me again, "Give me your money." I didn't answer him. And then he put the gun right here [motioning to the center of his chest] and he shot me.
Mario: Oh, that's... wow.
Nick: Was that here at Homestead?
Moisés: Yes.
Mario: Two blocks from his house.
Nick: Wow.
Mario: So what happened then? Well, your friend… and your friend who was there called...
Moisés: He called our other friends, but four black people who heard the shots… they called the ambulance and the police. And I couldn't stand up anymore. I was just lying there on the ground.
Mario: Well, yes, and...
Moisés: I only managed to get my phone out and I called my mom and told her that they’d shot me.
Mario: Yes.
Moisés: And I told her where I was and she came, and the black girl had put a towel on me and had put it on my chest. And my mom was putting pressure on me because...
Mario: To stop the blood.
Moisés: Uh-huh and I screamed because I felt a lot of pain. And then they came for... the ambulance and the police arrived, and they asked. They asked for identification and everything. They were asking me if... if I saw him, what color was he wearing, and I told him, but they couldn't find him.
Mario: Yeah.
Moisés: I only remember that after that I told them to help me. I couldn't stand it and I they lifted me into the ambulance, and I was in the ambulance for a while because they were waiting for the helicopter and I just felt how hot it was running down my chest here. And afterwards... I just remember being put onto the helicopter and I only remember getting to the hospital. From there on, I don't remember anything else.
Mario: Sure.
Moisés: And they only told me that I had spent three days in a coma.
Mario: Jesus. That's horrible, but what a miracle that you're alive. I think a bullet there, so close is... wow.
Moisés: Yes. I woke up, but I hadn't woken up per say. I just remember that they came to visit me and when I woke up, I didn't know what I had here [points to his left abdomen]. Um, but I just thought I had nothing. But that time the doctors came to check on me. When they lifted up my nightgown and I saw what I had there [a drain], I was surprised. At the same time, I was pretty scared because I never thought I'd ever have something like that on me. Uh-huh and I had...
Mario: Was that March that that happened?
Moisés: May. May 30th. Uh-huh and I was there for quite some time right. At the second— after a week of being there, the doctors detected that I was about to have a heart attack and had to operate on me again.
Mario: Wow. They managed to no let that happen and so how much longer were you waiting there for?
Moisés: When they realized that, they immediately asked me if I wanted them to operate on me. I told them yes. I signed the papers and all that. And yeah. Everything went well, thank God. I was in the hospital for almost a month, so I really didn't want to be in the hospital. It's not nice being there.
Mario: Yeah... it’s not very...
Nick: It's a little depressive.
Moisés: Because at the beginning of it all I couldn't sleep. I couldn't sleep. Someone had to be with me so that I could sleep. I had a lot of nightmares. And yeah, I couldn't sleep, and my mom always came over at night. Or if not, she took turns with my stepfather. There was always someone there with me.
Mario: Oh yeah, somebody. Yes. That's an event in life that... I don't know...
Ivo: Traumatic.
Mario: Traumatic. Yes, but it's good that you have your family here. Your mother, stepfather... you know... someone was there for you because, wow.
Moisés: Yes. And I... the truth is that I really suffered a lot because I never thought that something like that would happen in my life. Then they had to help me because I had to start walking and they always helped me. Sometimes I only got to give one... they would help me. They would get me out of bed and help me try to walk and all that. Back then I thought I wouldn't be able to walk anymore, but then I started walking.
Mario: Wow.
Moisés: Then I slowly started recovering bit by bit, and then I, myself, alone, would get out of bed and start walking.
Mario: How long was the recovery time?
Moisés: Um, it was... that was May 30th. I left the hospital on June 22nd or 23rd.
Mario: A month then.
Moisés: Uh-huh. I... well they asked me if I could be discharged. I already wanted to go back house. I told them yes because I didn't want to be in the hospital anymore.
Mario: Sure, of course. Yeah you were already walking already and so...
Moisés: Yeah. Then I went back, they brought me to the house, and that same day they bought me a bed to sleep in myself, and that was the hardest thing that had happened because they had to be helping me get up. They had to help me to sit down. Helping me to... well at first my mom helped me bathe too because I couldn't bathe myself since my whole body was shaking. If I grabbed a small sheet of paper, my hand would be shaking. And I did lose a lot of blood and I didn't have a lot of strength too.
Mario: Yes. Yes.
Moisés: Uh-huh.
Mario: Now I don't know... how do you feel now?
Moisés: Well, after all the months went by, I slowly recovered, although at first it was a little hard because I always felt bad. They had to take me to the hospital again, since I had for almost three months, or two months I think, a drain here on this side [points to his left abdomen]. I had it for almost two or three months and had to always go to appointments and everything. And that always affected me sometimes too... it made me feel bad. It made me feel bad because...
Mario: Yes. Yes.
Moisés: it’d give me a fever and all that. And after... once he gave me... like they wanted me to- well the doctors noticed that there was like an infection in the bone because this whole part of here started to hurt and I wasn't able to breathe well and they had to take me to the hospital again.
Mario: Uh-huh. And was it something like… an infection in the bone or something else or...
Moisés: It was like an infection that was starting to form.
Mario: But they managed to, you know, give you antibiotics on time?
Moisés: Antibiotics, yes.
Mario: This past has year has been really hard. Well, but... so have you had people to talk to, you know because I imagine... well all of this is really difficult, but...
Moisés: It's really difficult, but I'm almost managing to surpass it. Honestly because the ones who claimed to be my friends have disappeared. Only some of them were the ones who came to visit me when I was in the hospital, but now no one talks to me anymore.
Nick: And for work, how long was it that you couldn’t work?
Moisés: Well the doctors, they said I didn't... I had to be at rest for at least six or seven months.
Mario: So, then it wasn’t till recently that you really, that you had medical condition. Yeah, but I'm sorry about your friends. Sometimes things like this really teach you who's by your side and obviously your family will always be your family and they've been there for you. But I'm sorry to hear that. Things like that are easier when you have support.
Moisés: Yeah, but I always get sad sometimes, like how I'm staying in the house every day now. Since I'm not working yet, I stay in the house every day and sometimes I get sad because those who said they were my friends are no longer there for me. Its only like about two or three months ago that I made a friend. She sometimes calls me and asks me how I am, how I’m doing.
Mario: That's good. And you spend a lot of time in the house, but I don't know what... What do you want to do? I mean, I don't know. What would you like to do?
Moisés: Well, when I'm in the house since I'm with my little cousin, he stays with me, sometimes it's about time for me to clean up and I start cleaning to make myself do something because if I don't, I get bored with being there. But sometimes I put on some music.
Mario: What music?
Moisés: I like instrumental music a lot like Alan Walker and another kind of music that I don't know what it's called, but they are, just the sounds. Just the music. Nobody sings.
Mario: Yeah so, it’s like electronic music.
Moisés: Uh-huh, electronic music.
Miki: Like EDM?
Mario: Yeah.
Mario: Like club music?
Nick: Or is it more classic?
Moisés: There's one that's called "Nove Realice." Something like that.
Mario: I don't know, I listen to some old music. But I mean, what do you want to do? Do you feel like going to school one day and studying something or working in some kind of profession?
Moisés: I used to study in Guatemala and worked at the same time. What struck me most was mechanics. Fixing cars and motorbikes. What I can do now is disarm and assemble a bike. I can disarm it, completely, and I can rearm it.
Mario: That's a talent. I don't know… I don't know maybe here in a few months or when you feel better, you know, you can look for something in that. I imagine that lots of car shops may pick up an apprentice... like a student who works with a mechanic and who then teaches you more and gives you a job.
Moisés: Yeah, well, I did everything before, when I was in Guatemala. I also learned something where I was an assistant, a mason. I learned how to plaster walls and they also let me see what the electricians were doing. And I also learned a little bit of that, but now I've almost forgotten it already because...
Mario: Yeah, you’re not practicing it much.
Moisés: Yeah.
Mario: But mechanic, wow. That's very interesting. One of my best friends, his dad's a mechanic. Since he came from Cuba, he’s always been a mechanic and he knew how to do everything with engines and all that. It's good. Like what you do with bicycles.
Moisés: Yeah, sometimes I see something wrong with the car and I go to see what it is until I find what it's wrong with it and fix it.
Mario: You really knowing how to do that… you think if a friend or someone, a relative, has a problem, that instead of going to a shop that charges 300 or 200 pesos… that you could say “Let me see it.” and maybe you could fix it for them?
Moisés: Yeah, like with my stepfather. He has two cars and sometimes he has to change the oil and instead of taking it to the shop, he asks me if I can do it.
Mario: Yeah, but I'm mean maybe you could start doing little jobs so that people know you have this talent and it would make it easier to look for something in that.
Moisés: Yeah and well about all that, I also like music too, because I was a musician. I played the acoustic and electric drums, and I was playing the keyboard a little, too.
Mario: The what?
Moisés: The keyboard.
Mario: Oh yes.
Moisés: Well, many people call him a keyboard and others a piano.
Mario: Yes, yes.
Moisés: And I know how to play the güiro.
Mario: The what?
Moisés: The güiro. The güiro, the one you scrape.
Mario: Yeah, but drums. I know about the drums, too. When I was young, like thirteen, I picked up a drum set and for a few years I also played with friends but nothing... so music. It's really something else.
Moisés: Yeah.
Mario: And the guitar, no?
Moisés: The guitar. Well, sometimes I feel like playing it, but because there's no one to teach me or anything…
Mario: Yes, yes.
Moisés: And also, the bass, the electric bass. That’s one that I’d really like to learn. The one I know how to play a little bit are the drums and all that.
Mario: But in the house do you have something to practice with?
Moisés: No. Well, I asked for one. They told me it was about a thousand dollars, the twelve pieces of the electric. The only thing I have in the house is a keyboard.
Mario: I always wanted to learn that. If there's an instrument that I want to learn though, it’s the piano. It's nice and pretty the songs it makes. Do you know songs like that? Do you know how to navigate that well?
Moisés: I know how to get some melodies, but like the melodies that I know aren’t from like “The Temerarios” music or any like that. They’re Christian songs.
Mario: Oh okay. And are you part of a church or something like that?
Moises: Yeah, I grew up in church. That's where I learned to play the keyboard, the drums and the güiro.
Mario: Did you get taught there?
Moisés: Uh-huh.
Mario: Maybe there's a band at the churches...
Moisés: In the churches here I see that sometimes they don't mingle with others, but only with family members, they are the musicians. In the churches here… When I was in Guatemala, the one who could play or the one who learned to play, they put us to play in the church or else we took turns. Tuesday or Wednesday five people would play, and the other day other people would play, like that.
Mario: Here are some select ones who do it and always do. But maybe it's a matter of talking to them, you know?
Moisés: But what I was thinking of doing was maybe forming a group, too.
Mario: Yes, yes.
Moisés: Because since my uncle he also knows how to play the drums and can play the keyboard and the güiro too and I think he can also play the guitar a little bit.
Mario: Okay, yeah. Who's going to sing? You need a singer.
Moisés: Yeah. Well I used to, when I was at church, I used to sing.
Mario: Yes?
Moisés: Yes.
Mario: If you were a group, what kind of music would you sing?
Moisés: Christian music.
Mario: Yes. Well like everything, it's a matter of talking at church with people, the ones you don't know. Maybe you go to church and they have a board where you can put "Looking for a guitar person for a group." And that's how things are done.
Moisés: Yeah, it’s just that I told my uncle that a few days ago, that we should buy instruments, but he said, "That would be good, but we should find a bigger space where we could try to rehearse.”
Mario: And also, if you have the Internet, you can learn so much on the Internet. There are lots of videos or websites that have videos that teach you everything really well.
Moisés: Well, the bits that I play on the keyboard now, I've gotten them from YouTube. There are people who upload like how to play merengue or salsa.
Mario: Yeah well… YouTube and many other websites like that... there's so much to learn that you could learn. Practical things like with music and instruments. So, you came here like three years ago, and between that you were... What's the last place you were in Guatemala called...?
Moisés: It was at Escuintla. Uh, no, it was in Nebaj Quiché.
Mario: How old were you there when...?
Moisés: I was… the last time I was in Guatemala I was 17. Oh, you mean when did I learn to play instruments?
Mario: Yes, yes.
Moisés: I was about 13 or 12 years old.
Mario: And was it also at church there where you learned?
Moisés: Uh-huh.
Mario: But how did that happen? Did you learn from someone there?
Moisés: Well more than anything we didn’t get invited to the Church. I started to go, and the pastor there told me to look for God's things, that God's things are very beautiful if one pays attention to them. And that God can give us whatever we want. That's why I accepted God into my heart and from that point on I went to Church every day, whether it was raining, or if it was thundering. I always went. But then they changed our place, they took us somewhere else. That's where I didn't go to the Church anymore.
Mario: Who... took you somewhere else?
Moisés: Well, we changed houses. We were in Escuintla. My mom met my stepfather and they took us to Nebaj Quiché where we had been born.
Mario: Where what?
Moisés: Where we were born, but since we had already not been there for a long time...
Mario: Yeah, it's totally different. Well between the years you went there, and you came back… How old was it in the middle there?
Moisés: About 12 years or so, but I only spent eight or nine months there before I came here.
Mario: How did you finally decide to come here?
Moisés: Well my stepfather is here. He told my mom that I should come here. That he’d bring me. He was going to send for me, but I didn't want to.
Mario: No?
Moisés: Because I didn't want to and I was studying too, and then my mom made the decision that if I didn't come, she would come. And I said, "Well, if you want to, that's fine.” Well, she came, and I stayed there studying with my sister. She brought my little sister, the one who is 13 now, and she came. After about a year of her being here, she told me to come too and then I made the decision too and also my uncle was the one who made the decision and we came together. And that's how we left.
Mario: And your uncle. What's your uncle's name?
Moisés: Abraham.
Ivo: And how did you come here?
Moisés: Well, I turned myself over to the immigration.
Ivo: By plane?
Moisés: No. I came with the help of a coyote.
Ivo: But walking?
Moisés: Well, we were coming on buses. Well the first time, we did come on buses, but some people saw that we were Guatemalans and they turned us in. They called for immigration and immigration came. They grabbed everyone. I was locked up almost 15 days in Mexico, in Durango and after that we were taken to... after 15 days passed, they took us to Durango airport and took me to downtown Mexico. From there we were taken to Guatemala and we arrived in Guatemala on Wednesday. Wednesday, uh... it was Tuesday and Wednesday afternoon we arrived at my village and we were there only on Thursday and on Friday we went back to come here.
Mario: And that time nobody…?
Moisés: We came by bus. We changed routes. We came by a different bus, so we were separate, but we came with other companions, and then I don't remember what the place we got to was called. And that's where the coyote told us we had to take a train and that time we got on a train that was carrying cargo. I don’t know. It looked like coal or something like that.
Mario: So hidden like that?
Moisés: Yes. but I think the coyote had talked to the train conductor. I don't know for sure, but I know the train stopped when we arrived, we got on and from there the train started again. It was about eleven or twelve at night.
Mario: Maybe he made some arrangement with him.
Moisés: Uh-huh and then we spent the whole night there, but shivering from the cold.
Ivo: In Mexico?
Moisés: Yes, in Mexico.
Ivo: And then the train took you guys to the border?
Moisés: It took us to a hotel, but we arrived at the train stop and from there we got off the train and had to get a taxi. Well, we changed and had to stop a taxi and the taxi took us to a hotel and we were there for two days or a day and then they told us that if we didn't pay what the money was, they wouldn't bring us to the border. Afterwards our relatives paid the money and the next day they brought us. They just came to leave us on the bank of a river, I think it was the Bravo River. They left us there. They told us that we had to just cross the river and that by crossing the river we were already in the United States and we stayed there. We started crossing it, and because we came to turn ourselves in, we were trying to find where the immigration office was and we couldn’t find it. We had to walk a little until a patrol came by. They grabbed us all, then they took us to where the station was, and then they asked us our names and all that and where we were coming from. We had to give him the name of the person who was coming to receive us.
Mario: Your stepfather and your mom?
Moisés: Yeah, my mom. And after that they took us and said we had to wait there. They took us to a how... where they lock up the people they grab. Where it's really cold and all that.
Mario: Yeah, I can imagine.
Moisés: Afterwards, we were locked up there for like two days. Then they took us out and took us to a shelter.
Mario: A what?
Moisés: A shelter, and we spent about 15 days at the shelter.
Mario: And in those 15 days I don't know what... Did you hear something like saying, “Oh we're in this part of the process”? Or were you just waiting there?
Moisés: Yes, when we were taken to the shelter, they took us to our counselor and I don't remember who else and they said they were fixing the papers so that we could... And they said that if our parents had the papers that they needed, they were going to turn us over to them. Then, if not, we were going to stay there a long time.
Mario: But obviously they had all the papers.
Moisés: Yeah, they did everything right, but the only thing was that they were going to let me go, but the one who was going to stay there was my uncle, because he's my mother's brother and that's why he was going to stay a little longer. But I said to the counselor there, "Why should he stay if I came with him? I don't want to leave him alone." And I don't know. “That's the way things are here, because you're your mom's son, and that's why you have to go, then your uncle has to stay a little longer.” But I don't know what they did, but I told them I didn't want to leave him alone. And then they fixed up all the papers and started to fix it and said we were going to go together and then they took us out of there after 15 days had passed.
Mario: Yes. Wow. Another miracle really. That you guys really came together. Obviously, it’s important to be together. And I don't know, the counselor... typically people in that process... Are they friendly, you know, or...?
Moisés: Yes.
Mario: Yeah, well at least... Sometimes I imagine that the whole process is full of people who may not be, I don't know, they don't want to be there or something but it's good to hear that the people who were working on it...
Moisés: Yes.
Mario: had compassion.
Moisés: Yes, because I don't know if it was once a week, I don't remember very well anymore, but they called us to be able to call our parents. We would talk to them for ten or fifteen minutes.
Mario: Yes. So, 15 days there then what? An airplane to...?
Moisés: After 15 days they brought us to the airport, put a grey uniform on us, and gave us a sweater and pants, and then they said we couldn’t get off the plane until they said so. And they put a piece of paper on our necks saying we were on our own. Then we got on the plane, we got here to Miami, and I don't know the name of the woman who was on the plane with us. She told us to get off, that we had already arrived, and she asked us, "Who’s going to pick us up?" We told her that my mom was, and she took us down to wait for my mom. She started calling her so she could sign the papers she had already received. And that’s how she came, and signed the papers, and we came here, to Homestead.
Mario: What an experience that was, but it gives me a lot of joy that everything... well, you did have that thing where the first time they got you guys, but I don't know... You're here now, aren't you?
Moisés: Yes.
Mario: But I guess I don't know... Do you miss Guatemala sometimes?
Moisés: Well, yes. Sometimes I do because my grandparents and aunts and my sister are there.
Mario: And your other sister... Are there any plans for her to come here too?
Moisés: Well, yes, we had plans to bring her here but then it looks like she got married.
Mario: Well, I don't know, if she's happy there, you know, it's...
Moisés: Yeah. Well, she's a mom now.
Mario: Yeah. You’re an uncle then?
Moisés: Yes.
Mario: And you and your uncle, you guys are pretty close?
Moisés: Yeah, we’re always together. Well we’re in the same room as well. Only he's younger than me. I'm 20 now. He is only 18.
Mario: So, is he your legit uncle or your cousin?
Moisés: He's my uncle just that he's younger than me.
Mario: Okay.
Moisés: Yeah because my mother is the oldest of all her sisters and that's why he sometimes doesn't like it when I call him uncle because he’s younger than me.
Mario: Yeah, but I guess if I was him, I would say, "Hey, I'm your uncle, listen to me. But well it’s almost the same age since it’s the same 18 and 20.
Moisés: Well, I'm about to turn 21. On February 23rd.
Mario: Oh, so in about five weeks there.
Moisés: Yeah.
Mario: Wow. Well... happy birthday a little early but well! What do you plan to do on that day?
Moisés: Well, I was planning to have lunch, but since I don't have money to make it happen, since I'm not working yet. My mom told me maybe she’d buy me a cake for my...
Mario: Yeah, yeah, what cake do you like?
Moisés: Strawberry tres leches.
Mario: Strawberry?
Moisés: Yes.
Nick: Or of cuatro leches too. It's very sweet.
Mario: And do you have a place here, around here in Homestead where you like the tres leches there.
Moisés: Yeah, the one that’s near here. I don't know what the store's name is, but they call it “La Patrona” (The Patron).
Mario: But that’s more Cuban, right?
Moisés: I honestly don't know.
Mario: Or is it the same anywhere?
Moisés: I don't know since I don't pay attention to where it’s from, but yeah. I just go in to buy it and I'm out.
Mario: Yeah, but I don't know. You say you spend a lot of time in the house, right, but maybe some days you can walk over there. Well, I don't know how you feel after that incident.
Moisés: Well, I feel different because sometimes I feel like I'm not the same anymore.
Mario: Yes.
Moisés: Sometimes I can be kind of serious. Sometimes they tell me you. "Why are you angry?" they say. It's not that I'm angry, I just get serious.
Mario: No, of course. People don't know what you’re... so you're not angry. You know the truth. What about soccer, maybe you’ve thought of, thinking about playing again?
Moisés: Well, I haven’t started yet. Sometimes I’ve wanted to, but as I always go with my uncle, he sometimes goes to play soccer, and I say, "I want to play”, I tell him. "No, you can't play yet. I don't give you permission."
Mario: Oh yeah? I didn't know he pulled that card on you: "I'm your uncle." No but at least, I don't know, go there at least and being there is...
Moisés: Yeah sometimes my mom doesn't want to let me out because she’s scared. Because of everything that happened to me. I tell her, "I want to go with him." "And what is it going to be for? I don't want you to go." But I say, "No, but I'm bored being in the house here sometimes.”
Mario: No, well, it's logical. Right? After a long time at home, you have to leave.
Moisés: Yes.
Mario: But I say it’d be a good place, you know. Be with your uncle there.
Moisés: Yes.
Mario: And other people who...
Moisés: Yeah, and I say, "I'm bored being in a house." And then he doesn't say anything to me and I say, "I’ll go back there." I tell him.
Mario: Yes, of course. And your uncle. What's your uncle do? I don't know.
Moisés: Well, he's dedicated to work and all that. He works with packaging beans.
Mario: With what?
Moisés: Picking beans.
Mario: Over here. Close to Homestead?
Moisés: Yeah, close to here. And sometimes he comes home, and since we have the Xbox, he says, "Are you going to play?" "Yes, it's okay."
Mario: What do you guys playing? FIFA or...?
Moisés: Call of Duty.
Mario: What?
Moisés: Call of Duty.
Mario: Oh. Call of Duty. And who wins more?
Moisés: Sometimes my uncle beats me.
Mario: I’m not good at games.
Moisés: Yeah, well since it can be played by 4 players and since there’s my other uncle, who is my aunt's husband, the three of us get to playing there. Sometimes he fights against me to see who wins second place. Or sometimes we play multiplayer. Whoever takes the first place, like that. Sometimes it's taken by my uncle or sometimes by me or sometimes my other uncle.
Mario: I don't know. What else do you do with your uncle? Watch movies or something?
Moisés: Yeah, sometimes.
Mario: Have you seen anything recently?
Moisés: Well, now we haven't seen movies recently, just, more than anything, we play Xbox.
Mario: But did you watch movies growing up, when you were younger? I don't know in Guatemala what were the things that you did...?
Moisés: I liked movies.
Mario: Yeah? Which films?
Moisés: I saw X-Men.
Mario: Oh yeah? Which one?
Moisés: I saw almost all of them.
Mario: Or yeah, almost all of them.
Moisés: I also like watching cartoons like Cars, with Lightning McQueen.
Mario: Yeah, yeah, yeah. What's the old truck called... Mater?
Moisés: Mater.
Mario: Yeah. But I like X-Men, what was your favorite X-Men?
Moisés: It was where almost everyone powers comes out and I also liked the one that’s… Logan.
Mario: Logan. That one’s… a perfect movie. Really emotional.
Moisés: I also liked the one of... I don't remember its name.
Mario: Yeah, no, there's a lot of them. But at some point did you ever want to be in movies or some like that?
Moisés: No.
Mario: No? Well that's what I want to do. I want to make movies. It’s hard, right, but... so X-Men. What else did you do when you were young there. Movies… soccer, I imagine.
Moisés: Yes.
Mario: Were you on a team or?
Moisés: Well, when I started studying, when I was studying, I was on a team, when I was in elementary school I was on a team. We always took first place.
Mario: And that was a school team?
Moisés: Yes, we won the trophies and the medals, but they never gave them to us.
Mario: And that?
Moisés: The school took them. I've liked soccer and I've been the goalie and played defense and played a little bit of midfielder, but I would have been a better goalie. That’s why when I got here to Homestead, we made a team and I was always the goalie.
Mario: I guess you watch soccer on TV sometimes.
Moisés: Well, I don’t really like watching soccer.
Mario: No?
Moisés: I like being in football more than watching it.
Mario: But the World Cup? Everybody watches the World Cup.
Moisés: No.
Mario: No? Every four years you know it's crazy. No, I ask because everyone has their favorite player.
Moisés: Yes. They ask me, "Which team are you going for?" they tell me. I say, "I'm going for the one that wins." Just like that, I'm tell them because I don't know. I'm not going to... when they're playing, I only see that the one who wins, is the one who wins.
Mario: It's about who’s better right? They're playing better.
Moisés: Yeah, because if you say, "I'm going to root for that team." And the other guy says, "I'm rooting for the other one." and sometimes they start fighting.
Mario: Yeah. Yeah.
Moisés: When the other team wins, they start fighting. That's why I'm not going to root for anyone, that’s what I say.
Mario: Sports fans are sometimes... they're crazy.
Moisés: Yes.
Mario: I like Messi but going back to Guatemala, what else? Soccer, the team you had over there, watching movies…
Moisés: And I liked drawing.
Mario: Yeah? And have you followed that throughout the years or no?
Moisés: Not really, I couldn’t really continue with it.
Mario: I have an admiration for people who can draw.
Moisés: Now I’ve forgotten what it’s like to draw already.
Mario: You should practice again, I don't know.
Moisés: Yeah, because I was making nice little two-level houses, with pretty little windows, and I could do them, and I could do what was a house where only the two corners were seen, and where this one saw the corner here and the other corner here and the pathway over there.
Mario: So, you drew like houses like that then?
Moisés: Yes. Houses and cars, mountains and trees.
Nick: Did you use pencil?
Mario: Yes. Of course pencil.
Nick: I don’t know, he could do pen or something like that.
Moisés: Well yeah, you can draw with pencil and pen, but with the pen you sometimes get out of the line, so it's better with the pencil.
Mario: Yes. Yes. I can't draw for nothing. I'm horrible, but... I don't know, how much do you much do you know about this class... about us, I don’t know, but it's a class at FIU. Half of us study literature, writing, and the other half are architects.
Moisés: Yes. Well, I think it's a good area to study. It's something that's super cool. Right?
Mario: Which one?
Moisés: What you're all studying.
Mario: No, but I mean, I don't know how to draw, but half of the group are architects and draw. But I don't know, I think you should practice again. Right? I think things like that, drawing or writing, or practicing music, help calm people down.
Moisés: Yeah, well more than anything, what attracts me most is music.
Mario: It's true. It's true. Well then with the keyboard you have, you know... How do you say it? The keyboard.
Moisés: Or the band.
Mario: Yeah I hope more than anything that that... that something happens with that. I think it's a matter of putting some sign there saying "Looking for"
Moisés: Yeah, but the thing missing is buying the instruments.
Nick: And maintaining them too.
Moisés: Uh-huh. When the instruments there. Then we can find people who know how to play guitar and...
Mario: But you what? Do you plan on buying the guitar to have so that someone who knows how can or...?
Moisés: Well, for me I’m thinking of looking for people who want to join a group and if they want to join together with everyone, being able to raise the money that can be spent and to buy all the instruments.
Mario: Yes. I remember when I was at middle school here. You know, as I told you, I had a drum set as well, but one friend had a guitar and the other had a guitar and the other had a bass, you know, and he brought that and there in my room at the house there at 8 o'clock at night playing there. My mother was really angry but well maybe people have instruments already and it starts like that. You start with an old guitar that works, and then you have some time to raise money and get something new.
Miki: Literally when I was 12, I have a twin short, I have wanted to guitar so my mom bought me to guitar too like I always had to get the gift that my short so I actually learned how to play guitar too.
Mario: Nice. Yeah. We were just talking about you know how he’s trying to make a band. He's trying to start like a Christian rock band.
Miki: Chrisitian Rock. Oh wow! I'm Presbyterian.
Nick: She plays the guitar too.
Mario: I have a guitar and they put me in classes, but I never could, I never could. Yes. More or less, but never, you know, for the time I put into it.
Moisés: Yes, because when you pay attention to things, you learn them. If you don't pay attention to them, you don't learn.
Mario: Yes. I was paying attention, I was trying, I wanted to learn the guitar, but I don't know, it didn’t really...
Moisés: It's like me when I was in elementary school, I had to study in another school, and in that school they studied another language that was Quiché, and I was learning that language. Those who spoke that language didn't get good scores in that class, and I, who didn't speak that language, got good scores because I always paid attention to what it was and how to pronounce it and all that… how to write.
Mario: Very attentive to the details then.
Moisés: Yes.
Mario: Some people are good with languages you know? They learn...
Moisés: Well there are people who know up to five languages.
Mario: Yes. I'd like to too. And how did you feel with English, have you tried learning it?
Moisés: Well, sometimes there are words I try to pronounce.
Mario: Are you interested in learning English?
Moisés: Well, I'm really interested, because it's very important to know English here.
Mario: Yes, but I’m telling you, there are apps, there are websites that teach you too.
Moisés: Yeah, and I was studying here with the school here. The one that's here, by Eighth, and well, I liked the first class that I went into level zero for, and there they taught writing and pronunciation.
Mario: Like school at night?
Moisés: Yeah, and then I liked it. And then we had to do the exams. I did the exams and everything well and that's why I was brought up a level and they got me up to level 1 and from there, from level 1 we started doing all the things that they said, we started saying sentences and common greetings and then they came the exams again. And I don't know, but I could always do the exams, but I couldn't speak, and I got up to level 2. And at level 2 it was the same. So, they started doing sentences and I could always do them, but then the exams started. I was raised to level 3 and I, without speaking English...
Mario: Yeah, more... like writing and reading well.
Moisés: Well it’s more like… I know how to read a little better and understand it a little better than I can speak it.
Ivo: Can you try, more or less, to draw your hometown?
Moisés: Where I was, last time, there were lots of mountains.
Mario: Yes, mountains. Pretty. I'm half Salvadoran, so sometimes I go there, and I’m always taken a back when I’m seeing the mountains there.
Moisés: Yes.
Mario: It's beautiful, and it's quite different from here. You don't see anything like that here in Miami.
Moisés: Yes, there, there were many mountains and many trees there. It's just that it was very cold. Since I was already used to being where there was a lot of heat. When I got there, I didn't get used to it very much. I’d put like five blankets on top of me.
Ivo: And that was in Nebaj?
Moisés: Uh-huh.
Ivo: And you were born in Nebaj?
Moisés: Yes.
Ivo: And how old were you when you left?
Moisés: Well now I don't remember how old I was when I left, but I was...
Ivo: Very young. And from there you went to the capital?
Moisés: Close to the capital.
Ivo: And for how long? 12 years you said?
Moisés: Six years.
Ivo: Oh, for six years. Then you came back.
Moisés: And after those six years, I went to Escuintla. I lived there about seven to eight years.
Ivo: Oh, okay, and then you went back to Nebaj?
Mario: For a few months. Eight months.
Moisés: Like eight or nine months.
Ivo: Okay. Which of those places do you remember better than anything?
Moisés: I think I remember Escuintla better, where I lived.
Ivo: Escuintla?
Moisés: Yes, because where we lived was where the train used to pass. That's why all the houses are on one parallel line.
Nick: Parallel to the train?
Moisés: Yes.
Ivo: Can you try drawing it?
Moisés: That? Yeah.
Nick: This was the place where it was really cold?
Moisés: No. Escuintla was where it was very hot.
Mario: How did you hear about all this?
Moisés: It was a lady who told me.
Transcript and Translation of Interview 2
Date: 02/08/2020
Moisés: Since we had to move, we went to Nebaj Quiché. We were taking all the animals and the dog, too. And the dog was well trained because throughout the whole way there he didn’t complain at all.
Nick: Not a sound or anything? Wow.
Moisés: [Nods] Until he got to… until he got to the village where we arrived. When we arrived, I stopped the car and the dog got out and ran to the mountain and yeah.
Nick: And was it the same... he always knew where the house was there, the new house?
Moisés: No, he didn't know.
Nick: Oh, didn't he know? Did he get lost?
Moisés: He didn’t get lost, but since he saw that we were getting out, he also got out. We only saw that he ran up the mountain. Well, I think it was just taking care of its needs, you know. And then, when he came back and saw that we were there, he stayed with us and always stayed where we were.
Nick: Did you have names for the ducks and hens or no?
Moisés: No, it was just...
Mario: That's a lot of names, 20 ducks.
Nick: But I don't know if your sister named them or the doves.
Mario: And the sister, the sister who stayed there. What's her name?
Moisés: Her name is Felicia.
Mario: What was it?
Moisés: Felicia.
Mario: Felicia, and she got married? She already has a child right?
Moisés: Yes.
Mario: Son or daughter?
Moisés: He's a son.
Mario: Well, I say let’s eat something while it’s still hot.
Nick: You said you like strawberry tres leches right? Is it... does it have strawberry inside the milk?
Moisés: It has like a strawberry jelly in the middle of it.
Mario: And how’d you get here today? Last week...
Moisés: By car.
Mario: Who brought you?
Moisés: I brought the car.
Mario: Hm?
Moisés: I brought the car.
Ivo: How did you hear about WeCount?
Moisés: The ones who heard about this first were my mom.
Mario: Does she come here for the classes?
Moisés: Whenever there are meetings or when they do strikes, I think they're called.
Mario: What?
Moisés: I think they host meetings between immigrants and all that. She always...
Ivo: Those are strikes. Strikes?
Moisés: [nods]
Mario: And you follow along with that a lot? I mean the news and all that politics here?
Moisés: Not really.
Nick: How many weeks did you have the small dog here? Did you give it to a friend?
Moisés: Yes.
Ivo: Did you ask him about the girl?
Mario: No.
Mario: Remind me, what day exactly is your birthday? It’s the 20...?
Ivo: 25?
Nick: 23.
Moisés: 23.
Mario: 23. Are you turning 21?
Moisés: Mhm.
Mario: I know that you’re maybe having a cake at home, but maybe you have other plans?
Moisés: Well I plan to have a lunch and invite some friends.
Mario: Any place in particular?
Moisés: Maybe go to the park.
Mario: To play soccer or...?
Moisés: Maybe. Although I’ve hardly played football now though.
Mario: Yes, you’re right.
Nick: Did the doctors tell you when you could play again?
Moisés: No, they didn't tell me anything.
Mario: And are you interested in, well I don’t know about over there, but being 21 you can drink beer. Does that happen or not?
Moisés: No.
Mario: It's not that big a deal.
Moisés: Well, it’s that I did used to drink beer.
Mario: Yeah? Which beer?
Moisés: Corona. I really liked Corona.
Mario: Yes? And was that over in Guatemala or here?
Moisés: Here.
Mario: And who was buying it for you?
Moisés: Sometimes I’ve gone to buy it myself.
Mario: And they didn't tell you anything?
Moisés: Sometimes, "Where is your ID?" "I forgot it at home." "How old are you?" "I'm 21." Or sometimes they would tell me, "Where's your ID." "I forgot it. Left it at home." I’d tell him. "You have to bring it. Otherwise, they won't sell you anything." And sometimes there's an older woman. She’d buy it and give it to me after leaving the store.
Nick: How’d you organize that?
Moisés: I didn't organize it, more so that she did me the favor.
Nick: Oh yeah? Wow. She saw that they didn’t let you buy it one time?
Moisés: [Nods]
Mario: Let me tell you that when I was in high school there was a security guard, that was doing that. When the doorbell rang, at the end of the school day, there was a gas station there on the same corner, and she, if you gave her something, you know, some money, she'd do you the favor. Things, you know, get done.
Moisés: But she never asked anything from me in exchange, she just did me the favor and said, “Next time, you have to bring your ID.”
Mario: But Corona ay? Did you put something in it? Lemon or something?
Moisés: I bought some small bottles that come pre-made with lemon and salt. I don't remember what they're called. My friends saw that I used them, and they started using them too.
Moisés: And only once did I try marijuana, but then I didn't like it. I always talked on the phone and that time I tried it and I heard them shouting at me.
Nick: And they weren't yelling?
Moisés: No, I said, "Hey, don't yell at me. I'm not yelling at you." I said. Then, "No. I'm not yelling at you." they’d tell me.
Mario: Yeah with the senses... amplified. Was that here or there?
Moisés: Here. Sometimes I go to the store and they say, "Hey, do you want marijuana? Do you want coke? I’ll sell you 10 for a discount. How much do you want?" I said, "No. No thanks. I don't carry money on me." I told him.
Mario: Well done. And where do you live, 10 minutes from here, is it all really central like this? Can you walk to...?
Moisés: No, there are lots of black people.
Mario: I remember last week you said when you were recovering that friends didn't come much, but that there was like a girl or something?
Moisés: Well my friends stopped talking to me. At first, when I was weeks away from returning home, they almost always told me, "Hey what’s up? ¿How’ve you been?" And from there little by little they...
Mario: Weren't they coming to check on you or anything?
Moisés: No. Even now there's a friend who always said, "Right that you’re my friend? Right that I’m your friend?" "Yes." I would tell him. And now I'll call him and he doesn’t answer.
Nick: And you don't know why?
Mario: I don't understand that.
Moisés: Well, maybe it’s because I stopped going to the church that he goes to.
Mario: Oh yeah?
Moisés: Uh-huh because from that day on he stopped talk to me.
Mario: And why did you stop going to that church?
Moisés: They wanted me to stay there obligatorily.
Mario: What do you mean to stay there?
Moisés: They wanted me to stay there obligatorily.
Mario: Like living there?
Moisés: No, that I go there every day.
Mario: Oh.
Nick: Every day?
Moisés: Uh-huh.
Nick: Wow. That’d be difficult to do.
Moisés: And I just don't feel good being at that church.
Mario: Yeah, sure. It’s better...
Nick: And was it an evangelical church too or no?
Moisés: No. It was a universal church.
Mario: Universal? I don't think I've heard of that. What is it? Universal, what? That all religions can come?
Moisés: I don't know but I even think they made a Facebook account with the church's name.
Nick: Universal meaning they accept everyone or...?
Moisés: I think so. I don't know.
Mario: At least that's what they want you to think.
Mario: But you're going to another church now, right?
Moisés: Yes.
Mario: And are you more comfortable there, calmer?
Moisés: Yeah well over there I do feel good.
Mario: Yes. That's important. When I was younger, I went every Sunday. More of that actually, on Wednesday’s too. But yeah, sometimes they’re... they’re different. Right? Sometimes we went to another one over there in Doral and it didn't sit well with me, but the one that we were going there closer to the house I liked more, you know, the father and the people were more... more personal. But have you made new friends?
Moisés: Well, only the friend I have who sometimes calls me, like yesterday when she didn't work. Well, even though she hardly goes out with me because I've always invited her and all that, but...
Mario: I know where you met her. At church?
Moisés: No. I met her on Facebook.
Mario: Oh, through Facebook.
Moisés: Through Facebook. I asked her where she lived, and she told me near Homestead. And then "Really?" I told her. "I also live here." "I also live in Homestead." And so, we started talking. She gave me her number, and I called her. We’d talk and that’s it.
Mario: Well, but she doesn't go out.
Moisés: No, I've always invited her and she always says, "I can't, I'm not allowed." I don’t know, maybe she doesn’t like going out with me, doesn’t want to go out with me, I don't know, but she does go out with other people.
Mario: You have her as a friend on Facebook, obviously.
Moisés: Yes, I have her as a friend on Facebook.
Mario: And she posts pictures of her with her friends?
Moisés: Well, she doesn't post pictures, more so that she tells other friends that she goes out, with other people. Including once she said, "Look on so-and-so day I went out with a friend." And that I don't know what, and that same day she had told me that she would go out with me. And she herself told me that she had gone out with someone else that day and I said, "Oh, how nice. That's fine. That's good." I told her. I didn't want to tell her anything about… why she cancelled on me and went out with other people. And so, I've invited her several times and, like the saying goes, "Opportunities only come once."
Mario: Yes.
Moisés: And so now she says, "What and when are we going out?" Well, "I don’t know. You tell me and I’ll-
Mario: Yes, true.
Moisés: "I’m free every day." I tell her. Then I tell her, "I don't know. Tell me when." I say.
Mario: Yes.
Moisés: And she just stays there thinking.
Mario: Yes. That's the way things are.
Moisés: Yes, because I've always invited her, I told her, "Let’s go." "Okay. Let me think." Or if not, sometimes she says, "Yes it's okay. Stop by to pick me up.” And then, "Hey, are you coming?" I'll tell her. On the hour, "Hey are you coming? I’ll pick you up." "No, I don't think so."
Mario: Little games. They play little games like that.
Moisés: Yes. Then I find out that she went to the park with other people. That's why I say...
Mario: I wouldn't think much about that.
Moisés: Yes. And that's why sometimes she tells me, "Hey, what are you going to do?" "Well I'm going to be in my house since I have nothing to do. I don’t have anyone to go out with. I don't have friends," I say. "And am I not your friend?" she tells me sometimes.
Mario: Yes. That's crazy. It doesn't make sense.
Moisés: Yeah.
Mario: But those are the games that people sometimes. I know a girl named Nicole and she's the same way.
Moisés: Well, she hasn’t wanted to... the friend I’m telling you about, she hasn’t wanted to tell me her real name. She’s only told me her stage names.
Mario: Stage?
Moisés: Stage, which is a fake name. And she tells me that her name is Paulina, and her real name is Juana.
Mario: Juana? She didn't tell you, but you....
Moisés: Yes. Sometimes they say, "No. My name’s Paulina or Fabiana. Only those two names and the real one she committed a.... well, she didn't want to tell me, right. But she uploaded a photo on her WhatsApp status with the ID card, with the school's ID card where it had her name: Juana. That's when I knew her real name. Even yesterday when she told me to take her to the mall and one of her other friends tells me, "Hey, what did Juana tell you about where you were going to take us?" "Which Juana?" I said, to mess with her and see what happens. "I'm not Juana, I'm Paulina." she says quickly. She doesn't want me to know her name and I already know it.
Mario: How weird.
Moisés: Yeah.
Mario: And stage names are done with musicians or something?
Moisés: No, it's... well, we call it stage names, which are the names of other people that we use.
Mario: No because honestly some artists have their stage names.
Mario: Like... some actors, right, have a name that's not their real name, but they use it when they make movies.
Moisés: Yes.
Mario: I don't know… I don't remember now, but... Jonah Hill. I think that’s one that's not his real name. It's something else, but he uses that one, so yeah.
Moisés: Well I don't know why she does that, but that's why now she's telling me, "Hey, what are you gonna do this weekend?" "No, well I think I'll be here, or maybe I’ll go for a stroll by myself with my loneliness, I say. It could be that I go alone with my loneliness for a walk, I tell her like that.
Mario: "What are you doing?" "Nothing. Here with loneliness."
Moisés: Yeah.
Mario: Well, yeah. Who’s loneliness? You know. You’ve gotta make her jealous. You’ve got to play the game.
Moisés: Yes.
Mario: Yeah, I'm here with Mary or something.
Nick: I'm here with Juana.
Moisés: No well that’s the joke I told to a girl, a girl, a while ago. "Hey where are you?" "I'm in the park." "And who are you with?" she tells me. "No well I’m with Loneliness [female name in Spanish]." I tell her. "And who is she?" "Well loneliness, it's loneliness." I tell her. And she didn't understand me. She thought it was a woman. "And are you gonna tell me who you’re with or what?" she tells me. "No, well I'm alone, I hope you understand." I tell her. Then she started laughing and she thought I was with a girl.
Mario: Oh, yeah.
Moisés: It's like the other joke they say that goes, the girl says to the boy, "Hey, you haven’t treated me with love for a long time now." "Oh really, now? I don't treat you with love?" And he says, "I'm going to treat you with love." he says and says, "Shock, amortization and bites. [play on words with the Spanish word for love]" Yes.
Mario: That's a good one.
Moisés: Yeah, I used to know a lot of jokes before, I knew pick-up lines and a lot of riddles.
Mario: Riddles?
Moisés: It's like saying... this is, let’s see if you know it, it goes like this, "First act a hairless man comes along and combs his hair. Second act another hairless guy comes along and combs his hair. Third act there’s another hairless guy who comes along and combs his hair." What's the name of the play?
Mario: Combing... Baldies! I don't know.
Nick: Three, three men... I don't know.
Moisés: Mission impossible.
Nick: Why? Why mission impossible?
Moisés: Mission impossible because a hair;ess guy cannot comb himself. Yeah, because it says " First act a hairless man comes along-
Nick: Pelon.
Moisés: Combing himself.
Mario: But the hairless means that he has a lot of hair, right?
Moisés: No. Hairless is that he has no hair.
Mario: Oh no? I say bald for that.
Moisés: Yeah bald, but it's also called hairless, too.
Mario: It's the same then.
Moisés: Yup, hairless.
Mario: Because they call me a hairless.
Moisés: Well we call that hairy.
Mario: Oh, hairy.
Moisés: Or lots of people also say disheveled too.
Mario: Disheveled? Yeah, I think that’s why didn’t get it.
Moisés: That's why it goes, "First act a hairless man comes along and combs his hair. Second act another hairless guy comes along and combs his hair. Third act there’s another hairless guy who comes along and combs his hair." What's the name of the play?
Nick: Mission impossible.
Moisés: And it's like the Pepito one, too.
Nick: How’s that one go?
Moisés: It goes, "Pepito comes in and he says to his mom, “Mom, Mom, my dad's a magician. No son, he’s an electrician.” He comes again, “Mom, Mom, my dad's a magician. No son, he’s an electrician.” He comes a third time. “Mom, Mom, my dad's a magician. No son, he’s an electrician.” He comes a fourth time and says “Mom, Mom, my dad's a magician. Alright why do you say your dad's a magician? It's just that he put the wires together, they sparked and he disappeared."
Mario: And you heard that there on TV or I don’t know… other people told it to you?
Moisés: Yeah, sometimes I’d hear them on TV, or if not, I’ve bought the books and that’s how I learned before.
Mario: You should prepare a comedy show. Many places there take people who come there. You know, you don't have to have experience, but just try to do it. I would go. I’d be there.
Moisés: And there's another one about a coconut. It's something twisted-up because it says, "They peal it, they strip it, they toss it out a hole."
Nick: It's a coconut.
Moisés: Yes, and there's another saying, "Sky up, sky down, sea in between."
Mario: Sky up, sky down, sea in between.
Moisés: A coconut. " Sky up, sky down, sea in between "
Mario: Yes. Who knew that a coconut had so much.
Moisés: When we were younger, we used to do a lot of riddles, we’d do riddles about fruits, like, for example, "There was a fruit that had thirteen seeds, we said, it's orange on the outside, orange on the inside, and it has three pips." And you had to guess the name.
Mario: Yeah.
Mario: And I don't know, do you have Netflix or something like that to watch things? Or on YouTube too you can sometimes watch some good comedians there.
Moisés: Yes, and we sometimes would watch a lot at Cholo Juanito.
Mario: Cholo Juanito?
Moisés: Well he makes a lot of jokes and all that. It's Cholo Juanito and Richard Douglas.
Mario: I have to see them then.
Moisés: He sometimes says how Richard Douglas is the one who has money, and Cholo Juanito is the one who has little money and uses old clothes, and so Richard Douglas sometimes shows off saying he has so-and-so brand. And this is also from this brand, and he says to him that his clothes are also brand name. And what brand is it? It's tired brand. Tired of wearing it every day.
Nick: I only know Gabriel Iglesias, whose name is Fluffy. A comedian. He's Mexican, I think.
Moisés: Well Cholo Juanito and Richard Douglas I don’t know what country they’re from, but they use the money that is the sol. That’s the name of their currency. Sol, two sols.
Mario: What is it, Chilean or?
Nick: The ones that use the sol are like Peru. Peru uses the sol.
Mario: I think so.
Moisés: I think so.
Mario: It's true. One of my best friends is Peruvian. Yes, and I remember that this time he went recently, he got me a little alpaca made of alpaca hair and he told me this was 50 sols.
Ivo: What currency do they use in Guatemala?
Moisés: The quetzal.
Ivo: What?
Moisés: The quetzal.
Mario: In El Salvador, they used to use the colón before, but in 2000, in 2003 or something they started using the dollar. But I still have a lot of colóns and all that. It’s nice coin, I don't know.
Moisés: I’m not familiar with it.
Mario: Yes. What the one from Guatemala's called?
Ivo: Quetzal.
Moisés: Quetzal.
Mario: Quetzal.
Moisés: There used to be the quetzal, but it was made of paper, and then we began to see a quetzal, but like paper, only made out of plastic.
Nick: Plastic?
Ivo: What about coins?
Moisés: I think it was from a long time ago. This is what we use now.
Mario: Is it plastic?
Moisés: It's not... it's like a…
Ivo: Metal.
Nick: What does that say?
Mario: “Paz Firme y Duradera.” Which translates to “Firm and Lasting Peace.”
Moisés: That's what we started seeing afterwards because that wasn't what we had before.
Mario: This one no? There wasn’t a paper one?
Moisés: No. There wasn't before.
Mario: And now you use that?
Moises: I don't know about now.
Nick: Is this the plastic one or?
Mario: No, but plastic or is it like paper?
Moisés: It's paper, but made of plastic, that you can put it in the water and.
Nick: Is it real thin?
Mario: Well like the dollars here or?
Moisés: No. The dollars here, if they get in the water, they get damaged. That one they did it more, like more modern so that if you wet it, nothing happens.
Nick: And it's really thin?
Moisés: [Nods]
Moisés: I can get in the water with them and nothing happens to them. It's not like paper that if you get into the water with it, it gets damaged or breaks apart.
Nick: Is it like a plastic credit card?
Moisés: Uh-huh.
Nick: It can't be.
Mario: It's like this like a [takes out credit card].
Moisés: Well thinner than this...
Mario: Sure.
Moisés: This doesn’t stay bent. Sometimes we wrinkled it and it just goes back to the same again.
Mario: Interesting.
Moisés: Before these didn’t exist but then there started to be and then there started to be a bill like this.
Mario: This is the Salvadoran colón. Coins like this. They also had bills like this. More... I don't think it's the same material. This was more like paper.
Nick: And the tres leches you said it had like a strawberry filling inside.
Moisés: Yeah inside because outside you can’t see it.
Nick: Oh, okay.
Moisés: Because outside it has like a... the white stuff.
Nick: Yeah, the white stuff.
Ivo: Meringue.
Mario: My dog is called Meringue.
Nick: White, right?
Mario: Yup. When he was born, he looked like a meringue.
Mario: So we were really curious this past week about... about that girl that you said you met on Facebook.
Moisés: Oh yeah.
Mario: Was it in a group or something?
Moisés: No. I don't know if it was me who sent her the request myself. I know I accepted it and then we start chatting. I asked her where she was from and she told me she was... she told me that she was from a village, that she was from Nebaj Quiché. Then she says, "I'm from that village, but I'm not there anymore." "Where are you now?" I tell her. "I'm in the United States." And "Really?" I say to her. "Yes." Yes, she says to me. "So we are the same because I am here too and I am from such and such a village." And then that's how we started chatting. Then I say, "Do you use WhatsApp?" I say to her. And "Yes." she tells me. "Can you pass me your number?" I say, "Yes. It's okay." And she gives it and then I added her on WhatsApp. And then time went by and we didn’t text. Then I started texting her again and then I texted her on WhatsApp and then we started talking and I asked if I could call her and so on and then I called her. And that's how little by little we got to know each other. At first, we only talked on the phone, on the phone like that. Sometimes she called me or sometimes I called her. And afterwards there was a day she told me that... well, I said, "So what? When are we going to go out? When are we gonna out for some ice cream or something?" "I don't know. It's just that my brother hardly ever gives me permission to."
Mario: And does she live with her brother only?
Moisés: Uh-huh.
Mario: Just them two?
Moisés: Yeah and...
Nick: It’s a brother who’s older than her?
Moisés: Yeah, and after about three months ago I think it was, or four I don't remember very well, she said, "Hey, what are you doing now? Are you in your house?" "Yes." I say, "There's a friend who wants you to take her home." she told me. And "Can you come by for her and take her home?" "Yes." And from there I left, and she sent her location.
Ivo: Was that before you met her?
Moisés: Well, that's where I met her like in person.
Ivo: Oh, okay.
Nick: For the first time?
Moisés: Uh-huh. I went to pick up her friend, and she was working there, too, and I just waved to her a little bit from afar, but I did see her.
Ivo: Does it look like the picture? Did she look like it?
Moisés: Yeah, and “You look more, more beautiful in person.” I said. And then that was that, and like two or three weeks later, she said, "Hey, can you come pick me up? This is how you're going to meet me in person since you don't know me well in person, only from afar." And then I went to bring her, or I went to leave her at home, and that's where I met her. And we kept talking.
Mario: So, that’s how it started...?
Moisés: That’s how. Then I tell her, "And when are we gonna go out? When are we gonna go out for an ice cream and walk in the park?" "I don't know." She said to me and then that’s when she started to say, "Yes” and then cancel on me. Well, she’d say, "Yeah, that sounds good, come pick me up here." And when it was about time to leave, I’d say, "Hey, we're going out right? I'll come by to pick you up." And she’d say, "No, I'm not gonna go anymore."
Ivo: Making it difficult.
Moisés: Yeah, I’ve already invited her out like six times already.
Mario: I'm telling you that you should find someone else.
Moisés: Yeah, and that's why I'm not saying anything to her now, I'm not inviting her anywhere. Now she says, "Hey, when are we going out?" "I don't know. You tell me, because I'm free every day." And she doesn’t say anything back anymore.
Mario: But one of these days you have to say, "Well today no because I'm going to see Alma." you know. "I'm going to the movies with Alma." tell her that. "Why don't you take me to the movies?" And say, "Well..." To make her jealous.
Moisés: No, one day of these I wanted to say that I was with Loneliness. She called me once and said, "Hey, what are you doing?" "No well I'm here with loneliness." "Who’s loneliness?" "Well, just me alone."
Mario: Yes. Invite her to your birthday.
Moisés: Well, I invited her like two months ago. That’s when, if you don't come, it's your problem. I've already invited you two months ahead of time.
Mario: Well then you buy a Corona or something.
Moisés: No, not Corona anymore.
Mario: No. No more? Okay. There’re better ones, there're better beers.
Moisés: Because I was prohibited from drinking. Yeah, the doctors told me that if I wanted to keep my life, I wouldn't drink.
Mario: Oh, well doctor's orders.
Moisés: Yeah. That's why I haven't drank anything now because I was drinking before. Well that was, as they say, it was because of a woman that I started drinking. Yes, because, I don't know, I had a girlfriend in Guatemala, and she told me she was going to wait for me. Asking how long was I gonna be here? Well we were talking for almost a year and she always said, "Yes, I'm going to wait for you. I don't know how long you're going to be there. If it’s five years, I'll wait for you." Then when it was about to be a year of me being here, she was already six months pregnant. That's what hurt me the most, and I told my uncle and he, instead of giving me good advice, he said, "Hey, let's go with my brother-in-law. We're going to get some cold ones." "And what’s that?" "You'll try it soon," he said. When I was given the first one, I almost didn't want to drink it, It tasted bitter and then I took the second one and it already tasted less bitter.
Mario: And with the third less so.
Moisés: Yes, and so then we got there, I don't know, I don’t even remember how many we drank. And that's when I started to have a headache the next day.
Nick: That’s a lot.
Moisés: And that's how I started. Sometimes I drank twice a week, or three times a week. Every weekend, and I didn't make it to the house to sleep.
Mario: No?
Ivo: Where did you sleep?
Moisés: With my uncle. That he's my mother's sister's husband.
Ivo: The younger uncle no. Another uncle.
Moisés: Another uncle but my younger uncle was also going to stay there, because we’d both go and stay there.
Moisés: And there was another time for me where I had already stopped drinking, but this time it was over another girl I liked. She studied with me and she...
Mario: Was that in Guatemala?
Moisés: Here. She studied English for three hours at night and I studied there too. I met her and we started talking. Well we always saw each other at school. Until one day when she says "Hey, do you know who can give people rides or can you give me a ride?" she tells me. "Of course, I can." I tell her. "Just tell me when or give me your address and I’ll come by for you.” I told her. I had already known her for more than a year, until she asked me to bring her home and drop her off. We studied together, and so I met her a little bit more, and I planned to invite her to eat or something until she, herself, committed suicide.
Mario: Oh my God.
Moisés: Yeah, even though I didn't find out that way, right, but it was a Sunday that that happened. One day on Friday... no on Thursday I told her not to stop going to school, because her grades were low and that’s all I sent her, and she left me on read. And the day came... Saturday went by and I didn't text her. I didn't text her on Sunday either until Monday, and I went to her house to pick her up, and she didn't come out or anything. I called her, the call didn’t go through, and so I stayed for half an hour. No one came out and it stayed that way and so I went to school. And then Tuesday the same thing. I waited for like 15 minutes. And what happened to her? Maybe she's sick, I thought, and so I stayed there, and then what I did was that I got out of the car and asked a guy who was there. I asked him, "Hello, excuse me, but I don’t know where Flori lives." I told him because Flori was her name and he said, "Yes, she lives at such-and-such door and I went to knock. “I think she's there,” he says. And I went to knock, and when I knocked, a guy came out. And he says, "Yes, how can I help you?" "Do you know where Flora is?" I say to him. "She's not here." "And where did she go?" "She went to another state." he told me like that and "It’s just that I'm the one who takes her to school." "Oh, you’re the one who takes her to school?" he says. “Yes.” I say, "Wait. I'll call over her sister." he told me. And her sister came out, and I just saw that she was crying, and I said, "Why are you crying?" I said and then I asked her, "And where is Flora?" I said. "She's not here. She already left." "And where did she go?" I say. "She's not going to school anymore." "And why?" "And when will she be coming?” I said. Not knowing anything, I asked, "And when will she come back?" "It’s that she's not coming back anymore." she tells me. "And why?" I say. "Because she committed suicide." And I felt that like a blow to the chest. Right?
Mario: Of course. Yes.
Moisés: And then I saw that she started crying more, and I just hugged her and told her I felt really bad because I didn't know anything about it and didn't want to cry because no. I steeled myself more than anything and then I said, "Look, if anything, call me." I left her my number and then I had to go to school. I couldn't stand the urge to cry when I got to school. I wanted to be strong and said… I got to school, and I told the teacher "Flora is not coming anymore." I say like that, right. "And why’s that? Why?" she says. "Because she died, she killed herself.” “And why?” he says. "And who is she? Where does she study?" she tells me. "She's your student." I say to the teacher. She starts searching on the computer and the attendance list and saw that her name was there, and I don't know. That’s when I started to cry and couldn't stand the urge to cry anymore. And then they took me to the director and took me to a counselor and I was there for a while. They told me that that was tough, that if I wanted to talk to someone that I should. And then her other friend found out to. He heard and also started crying when he saw that I was crying. And then, that same night, it was that night that we went out and left school, met up early, and I went to the store to buy beers. I told my mom, "Hey mom, I'm not going to come back, there's a friend who died, and I'm going to be at her house." I told her like that. You understand me, right?
Mario: [nods]
Moisés: And I went by the store and started drinking some beers, and then the other friend of hers called me and said, "Hey, where are you?" "I'm here. I’m near my house." I said. "And what are you doing?" "I'm throwing one back by myself." I said, like that. And then, "Hey, why aren’t you inviting anyone? Better yet, come to my house and we'll bring more." he says. And then, "Alright." I say. And because they were in front of my other uncle's house, and his brother was there, and I said, "Hey, you want to go with me?" "Where?" he says. "To have a few beers there with a friend and you can take the car, so if I get drunk you can bring it back." I tell him. And we left. We went to pick up a friend and then others and he says, "Hey, how many cases have you got? "I've only got a six now." I tell him. "Oh so then let’s go to the store for more." he says. "Alright." I say. And we got more from the store. We got a 24 and then we started drinking and so we mourned because we hadn’t known anything. And then we finished the beers and then he said, "Let's get more. I’ll cover half of it. We went to get another 24.
Ivo: Between how many of you?
Moisés: Between 3.
Nick: Two 24s?
Moisés: Yeah...
Ivo: And the six.
Mario: And the six.
Moisés: And then those were done and we went to get more.
Ivo: Another 24?
Moisés: Yes.
Nick: When you woke up had a killer headache too?
Moisés: Well, that time yes because I went past my limit and drank a lot. I don't even know what time I fell asleep.
Mario: You didn’t black out with all that?
Moisés: Well, yes, I blacked out because I thought they had gone to leave me at home and they told me no. "Hey, you surprise me," he said. "Why?" I said. "Even though you were already drunk, you couldn't even walk anymore, but you left driving as if you weren’t drunk.
Ivo: Alone?
Moisés: Yeah, and I thought they had gone to leave me home because my backpack was thrown there, and since I carried a speaker, I saw that the speaker was around there and my backpack over there and my shoes over there.
Mario: So, you lost a few hours there.
Moisés: Yes.
Nick: How lucky! But...
Mario: No, honestly, it’s really dangerous. You’re lucky. Yeah, the same thing happened to me...
Moisés: Yeah because they said, "Hey, you surprised me because even though you weren't even walking anymore, you were driving as if you weren’t drunk." And I thought “What?”, and I asked him the next day and "But you left me at the house, didn't you?" I said, like that. "No, you went by yourself, and even though you were drunk, you crossed a fence." he told me. Yeah, I don't remember that. And my other friend also lost his phone. But that day too... the next day, I woke up drunk still.
Mario: Sure.
Moisés: Yeah, with a headache, and I wouldn’t be able to work. What I did was, that because over there, where we were working, there were guavas and there were some things like similar to cucumbers, but they're bigger, and because that's what the Chinese are growing, and I went, I got one of those. I cut it off and took off the skin and started eating that because I couldn't stand the headache and I don't know whatever else I had too.
Mario: You’ve got to eat and drink water, you know...
Moisés: Yes. That time I did drink a lot of water and after that, that was it. I didn't want to know anything anymore. Although that time I really went overboard and I don't know, I don't even remember what time I fell asleep because what also came to wake me up and ask me if I was going to work was my mom. And I, so she didn’t catch the smell on me, said to her, "Yeah, I'm going to work." I rushed to change and went to work.
Mario: And since then no... that’s it...
Moisés: And then, I stopped drinking for a couple months. Then I started drinking once a week.
Mario: Casually.
Moisés: Yes, or sometimes I bought some, but I bought Coronas, like the big ones. I’d buy three, and with that, I drank them and that’s it, went to sleep.
Mario: Yes.
Moisés: I didn't drink as much as I used to, but always… well, although before I did it in a group like between five or three of us drinking, but after that I began to feel that like that, drinking with a lot of people, sometimes we’d start fighting between ourselves like that. That's why it’s better what I was doing, which was that I, by myself, would go buy my own and drink them alone at home. And that’s it. When I finished them, I’d just fall asleep.
Mario: And now medically they've prohibited you from doing it.
Moisés: And then that’s it. Well it was a month and a half before this happened to me, that I’d stopped drinking.
Mario: Yes. Yes, but I’m telling you that I had a similar experience and I don't remember anything. I remember feeling how strange that was. Losing time like that. Losing memories. I also didn’t drink for a while.
Moisés: So, at first, yes, I drank a lot. I stopped drinking till like 1 or 2 in the morning, but those days when I drank until those hours were Sunday or Saturday.
Mario: It's good that before the doctors told you anything, you yourself said, "That’s enough."
Moisés: Yeah, that's why...
Mario: It's dangerous.
Moisés: Yes, that’s why now I say, "I don't have to drink anymore." Although sometimes my friends from there start drinking in front of me and "Hey, remember these?" they tell me...
Mario: Yes, but no. You’ve got to be strong, you know? Drink a Coke or something else. You know, another vice, but that isn’t...
Moisés: Yeah, because now I don't want to drink that, because they took out a piece of my liver and I don't know what else they took from inside me.
Mario: Yeah, why put yourself at risk like that?
Moisés: Sometimes I feel like drinking something cold and what I do is I grab a Coke and put ice in it.
Mario: Yes.
Moisés: Or if not, I take one of those vitamins that say vitamin C on them, and I grab the water bottle, and I put two in.
Mario: Yes, of course.
Moisés: I drink it like that.
Mario: Yeah, you just want flavor, right?
Mario: Yeah, a lot of my family in El Salvador has gone through that, I don't know it’s... an addiction sometimes, you know.
Moisés: Yes. Well, like my real dad, he did like to drink a lot before. Well, I’ve known for a while now that he’s sick, but from then on, I haven't known anything about him.
Mario: Since when have you not known about him or talked to him?
Moisés: It’s been a while now. Almost a year.
Mario: A year?
Moisés: Uh-huh.
Nick: And he lives in Escuintla?
Moisés: Well the last I knew, he lived near the capital.
Mario: So... well your dad and your mom split up.
Moisés: Well, my dad abandoned us since I was like nine years old. Nine or eight years old, something like that.
Mario: And then your mom met your...
Moisés: My stepfather.
Nick: And your stepfather is from here?
Moisés: Yes, he's the one who’s here.
Mario: How did they meet?
Moisés: Well, it seems like they met over the phone.
Mario: Okay. So, he's American?
Moisés: No. He's from Guatemala. He came here as an immigrant. He’s spent like 12 or 13 years here.
Mario: And is he already a citizen? Did he do all that? I don’t know
Moisés: No. They denied him of that. They closed the case and everything. The only thing they gave him was a driver's license.
Mario: And that, after closing the case, they can't try again?
Moisés: I don't think so.
Ivo: And do you guys often think that they’ll deport him… things like that? Are you afraid of that?
Moisés: Well not really because well he thinks that since… he says that since he’s already spent a long time here, he says "No, but if I get caught by immigration, let them send me to Guatemala. I’ll get to go for free." he says.
Mario: Yeah, true. They pay for the trip.
Moisés: Yes, because he’s already been here for a long time already.
Mario: And would him or your mom like to go back to Guatemala or...?
Moisés: No well yeah. They’d like to go back.
Mario: Yes. You?
Moisés: Sometimes yeah, I feel like going back, but sometimes you’d want to be here too.
Mario: You've been here for like three years. Right?
Moisés: Yes.
Mario: What do you think here about the U.S., or well, about Homestead? Right? Miami...
Moisés: Well, yes. It's nice to live here, but the bad thing is that you have to be paying for light or rent, cell phones and everything. Like in one’s own country, if you, if they have to build a small house over there then you... the only thing you can pay for is light, that’s it. Just that.
Mario: Yes. You have to work here and make money to pay for everything. Right?
Moisés: Yes.
Mario: And the freedoms here? I don't know what...?
Moisés: Well here there's not as much freedom as there is in one's country. Right? But yes, here the laws are stricter. Like over there something happens to you and you call the police. The police don’t come for a while. They come after like five hours.
Mario: Here, you say?
Moisés: No, over in Guatemala.
Nick: Five hours?
Moisés: Yes. Sometimes you call them… you call them... when something happens to you, you call them. They don't come soon. They come 5 hours later.
Nick: Why’s that?
Moisés: I don't know. They’re not that strict with the laws there.
Mario: Because here that’s it. You call the police and it takes about 20 minutes, but, and sometimes it feels like a long time because...
Moisés: Yes.
Mario: Let me tell you that there was a man who appeared at our house and well I don’t know how... drunk, but he was there knocking on the door and I don’t know, my mom... frightened... called the police and like I said, in 20 or 25 minutes. It's better than five hours really, but in that situation, you expect it to be 5 minutes
Moisés: Yeah, like how my mom filed a complaint about like five or six years ago, I believe, and another lady, too, and just a year ago was when they caught the guy they filed the complaints about.
Mario: Wow.
Moisés: It took them like five years to get him. But he got like three complaints. Three or four. I don’t know how long ago this was, but the woman who filed the complaint had already died. And that's why he says they say that he has no way to get out of jail, because nobody can pardon the complaint that was filed against him, since that person who filed it, is already dead.
Mario: And I don't know. Do you imagine yourself staying here... to live well. Well maybe not in Miami or Homestead but in the United States?
Moisés: Well, yes. It’d be nice, right? But you have to pay for light and all that.
Mario: Yes.
Moisés: Well for now… Now I'm fixing up my papers because they told me that in terms of everything that’s happened to me, I could get the Visa U.
Mario: Yeah, well. if you can...
Moisés: Yes. That's what my lawyer’s working on now.
Mario: And that lawyer works for this, for WeCount?
Moisés: I don't know if she works for this, but this is where I met her.
Mario: And she works for free?
Moisés: Yeah.
Nick: Did you go to the United States because your mom knew your stepfather and then she wanted you to come here?
Moisés: Yes. Well, the one who was going to come was going to be me, but because I didn't want the one to, the one who came here was my mom.
Nick: Were you studying, right?
Moisés: Yes, I was studying, and then my mom when she’d been here for about a year, she told me to come and I came. She’s already been here for 5 years.
Nick: And she has that too... the visa U?
Moisés: No.
Nick: And do you share a lawyer among the family... I mean the same person who...?
Moisés: Well, no. Not really. The lawyer only works with me. Since I came through immigration, I was given papers that I had permission to be here.
Nick: Okay.
Nick: We want to know what the layout of your house looks like.
Ivo: As if you took the roof off the house to see where the rooms were and all that.
Moisés: You want to know what's more or less inside the house.
Ivo: Sure.
Nick: Would it be better to draw your house here or your house in... Escuintla? Can you do both?
Moisés: Um, yes.
Nick: Thank you.